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		<title>By: Amit Gautam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amit Gautam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 09:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill, It would be difficult for me to name any competitor LMS here :-)
Looking at your requirements - you must have a demo of our LMS - UpsideLMS. It does all you ask and also on the testing component side it does have support for a few more question types in addition to multiple choice - like drag and drop, match the following, short answers.
However, there are a good number of LMS systems available today. You may want to check out Brandon Hall or Bersin &amp; Associates websites for a comprehensive list.
Pl ping me direct for a further conversation at amitgautam@upsidelearning.com and I will be happy to assist you.
Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill, It would be difficult for me to name any competitor LMS here <img src='http://www.upsidelearning.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Looking at your requirements &#8211; you must have a demo of our LMS &#8211; UpsideLMS. It does all you ask and also on the testing component side it does have support for a few more question types in addition to multiple choice &#8211; like drag and drop, match the following, short answers.<br />
However, there are a good number of LMS systems available today. You may want to check out Brandon Hall or Bersin &amp; Associates websites for a comprehensive list.<br />
Pl ping me direct for a further conversation at <a href="mailto:amitgautam@upsidelearning.com">amitgautam@upsidelearning.com</a> and I will be happy to assist you.<br />
Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 20:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, I am looking for some advice please. I am very new to all of this and rather overwhelmed by the number of LMS&#039;s out there.
I have an existing school (of herbal medicine) that I am wanting to transition into online courses. I need an LMS that will best allow me to do that. For the most part, it will be very straight-forward - uploading audio files and PDFs. I have some more specific needs when it comes to the testing component, because I need more than just multiple choice options.
Could anyone offer some advice on a few systems that might best meet my needs? Thanks very much.
Jill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I am looking for some advice please. I am very new to all of this and rather overwhelmed by the number of LMS&#8217;s out there.<br />
I have an existing school (of herbal medicine) that I am wanting to transition into online courses. I need an LMS that will best allow me to do that. For the most part, it will be very straight-forward &#8211; uploading audio files and PDFs. I have some more specific needs when it comes to the testing component, because I need more than just multiple choice options.<br />
Could anyone offer some advice on a few systems that might best meet my needs? Thanks very much.<br />
Jill</p>
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		<title>By: LMS Selection is like a box of chocolates&#8230;. &#171; Learn Today Know Tomorrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>LMS Selection is like a box of chocolates&#8230;. &#171; Learn Today Know Tomorrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 11:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 5 cosas que no debes hacer a la hora de seleccionar un LMS &#124; Notas de eLearning</title>
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		<title>By: Comment choisir une LMS &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comment choisir une LMS &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jason Aitkens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Aitkens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 04:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All,

I am currently conducting research for a HR and L&amp;D Conference to be run later in the year. I hope to include a valuable session on LMS and PMS - would be keen to hear from you on what are the key discussion points around this subject and also if there are any high profile speakers who I could approach.

Look Forward to hearing from you.

Cheers

Jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All,</p>
<p>I am currently conducting research for a HR and L&amp;D Conference to be run later in the year. I hope to include a valuable session on LMS and PMS &#8211; would be keen to hear from you on what are the key discussion points around this subject and also if there are any high profile speakers who I could approach.</p>
<p>Look Forward to hearing from you.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Jason</p>
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		<title>By: Amit Gautam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amit Gautam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jo, I am not sure what stage you are at in evaluating the LMSs. UpsideLMS also offers integrated web conferencing along with a host of extensive enterprise LMS features. If you would like to have a look I can get a demo arranged for you. We offer it in both hosted as well as behind the firewall.

Did you mean to seek suggestions on different LMS vendors offering web conferencing features?

Amit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jo, I am not sure what stage you are at in evaluating the LMSs. UpsideLMS also offers integrated web conferencing along with a host of extensive enterprise LMS features. If you would like to have a look I can get a demo arranged for you. We offer it in both hosted as well as behind the firewall.</p>
<p>Did you mean to seek suggestions on different LMS vendors offering web conferencing features?</p>
<p>Amit</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jo Marie -- Two companies I&#039;d suggest you contact:

Digitec Interactive (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.digitecinteractive.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.digitecinteractive.com&lt;/a&gt;)  -- ask for Dick Hofmann. Last I heard they were incorporating Webinar archiving capability into their KnowledgeDirect Web LMS.

LearnGauge (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.learngauge.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.learngauge.com&lt;/a&gt;) -- ask for Chad Gent. They have a couple of different LMSes and  might be able to address your need.

I&#039;ve been researching various LMS providers for an ongoing series of blog posts, and recommend that you identify the types of elearning you plan to make available via your LMS.

For example, Blackboard and iCohere are two companies that specialize (if you will) in systems that make instructor-led programs available. Haven&#039;t seen Blackboard, but iCohere&#039;s will store archived/recorded Web conferences, though I don&#039;t know about live sessions launching from it.

KnowledgeDirect Web and LearnGauge&#039;s LMS are built more for asynchronous, stand-alone elearning.

I have been experimenting with another system and it appears that though the structure is designed for instructor-led courses (more of a course management system than an LMS), it seemed to have loaded a link to a stand-alone asynch course A-OK. No scoring from the asynch course was built to be saved, so that hasn&#039;t been tested.  Let me know off-discussion if you&#039;d like info on this option.

Eager to see what others are recommending and have experienced!

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jo Marie &#8212; Two companies I&#8217;d suggest you contact:</p>
<p>Digitec Interactive (<a href="http://www.digitecinteractive.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.digitecinteractive.com</a>)  &#8212; ask for Dick Hofmann. Last I heard they were incorporating Webinar archiving capability into their KnowledgeDirect Web LMS.</p>
<p>LearnGauge (<a href="http://www.learngauge.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.learngauge.com</a>) &#8212; ask for Chad Gent. They have a couple of different LMSes and  might be able to address your need.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been researching various LMS providers for an ongoing series of blog posts, and recommend that you identify the types of elearning you plan to make available via your LMS.</p>
<p>For example, Blackboard and iCohere are two companies that specialize (if you will) in systems that make instructor-led programs available. Haven&#8217;t seen Blackboard, but iCohere&#8217;s will store archived/recorded Web conferences, though I don&#8217;t know about live sessions launching from it.</p>
<p>KnowledgeDirect Web and LearnGauge&#8217;s LMS are built more for asynchronous, stand-alone elearning.</p>
<p>I have been experimenting with another system and it appears that though the structure is designed for instructor-led courses (more of a course management system than an LMS), it seemed to have loaded a link to a stand-alone asynch course A-OK. No scoring from the asynch course was built to be saved, so that hasn&#8217;t been tested.  Let me know off-discussion if you&#8217;d like info on this option.</p>
<p>Eager to see what others are recommending and have experienced!</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Amit Gautam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amit Gautam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jo,
Are you facing some challenges or do you feel something is amiss? I would be happy to offer you suggestions you could tell me what problems/challenges are you facing or foreseeing.
Is this all taking too long at your end? Or has it led to a confused myriad of choices in vendors?
Once I know more I&#039;d be pleased to offer any help I can provide.
Cheers!
Amit Gautam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jo,<br />
Are you facing some challenges or do you feel something is amiss? I would be happy to offer you suggestions you could tell me what problems/challenges are you facing or foreseeing.<br />
Is this all taking too long at your end? Or has it led to a confused myriad of choices in vendors?<br />
Once I know more I&#8217;d be pleased to offer any help I can provide.<br />
Cheers!<br />
Amit Gautam</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Marie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jo Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After sitting in several demos from LMS providers and doing a rush rush RFP our team is going back and investigating groups with integrated web conferencing.  Any suggestions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After sitting in several demos from LMS providers and doing a rush rush RFP our team is going back and investigating groups with integrated web conferencing.  Any suggestions?</p>
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		<title>By: Amit Gautam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amit Gautam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ellen,

You have raised some very relevant and important questions here. Let me try to answer them one by one.

Yes, it is very reasonable to expect IT vendors to be able to provide you with a fixed price for the work once the customization elements have been identified. However the customization elements not only just need to be listed but also be defined clearly. In case of a lack of clarity the IT vendor may not be able to provide you with an accurate estimate.

There is no fixed formula for calculating maintenance requirements in terms of hours, etc. as the support requirements are subject to number of users, nature and amount of content on the LMS, usage trends, etc. However it may be wise to anticipate high support requirement around the time when new things happen on the LMS - new courses, new assessments, etc. Also, the system should ideally settle down after the initial few months of usage and the maintenance requirement goes down. Most of the maintenance time is actually user support time on queries rather than any real problems. As a vendor we actually sell pre-paid support hour packages to our customers as it helps customers keep a control on the spend. There are options on annual maintenance contracts or even incidents-based support arrangements.

I am not really aware of any reports of standards on this but will be on lookout for such.

There are a number of small organizations using open source LMS. Best would be to go to specific LMS forums and you will find a user group there to talk to.

I hope these responses helped. I think the most important thing to understand regarding open source LMS is that only the code is free of licenses but that doesnt imply that there are no other costs associated with implementing the LMS.
I will soon follow up my comments with a complete post around open source LMS and a few queries raised on this post compiling all such tips and insights.

Amit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ellen,</p>
<p>You have raised some very relevant and important questions here. Let me try to answer them one by one.</p>
<p>Yes, it is very reasonable to expect IT vendors to be able to provide you with a fixed price for the work once the customization elements have been identified. However the customization elements not only just need to be listed but also be defined clearly. In case of a lack of clarity the IT vendor may not be able to provide you with an accurate estimate.</p>
<p>There is no fixed formula for calculating maintenance requirements in terms of hours, etc. as the support requirements are subject to number of users, nature and amount of content on the LMS, usage trends, etc. However it may be wise to anticipate high support requirement around the time when new things happen on the LMS &#8211; new courses, new assessments, etc. Also, the system should ideally settle down after the initial few months of usage and the maintenance requirement goes down. Most of the maintenance time is actually user support time on queries rather than any real problems. As a vendor we actually sell pre-paid support hour packages to our customers as it helps customers keep a control on the spend. There are options on annual maintenance contracts or even incidents-based support arrangements.</p>
<p>I am not really aware of any reports of standards on this but will be on lookout for such.</p>
<p>There are a number of small organizations using open source LMS. Best would be to go to specific LMS forums and you will find a user group there to talk to.</p>
<p>I hope these responses helped. I think the most important thing to understand regarding open source LMS is that only the code is free of licenses but that doesnt imply that there are no other costs associated with implementing the LMS.<br />
I will soon follow up my comments with a complete post around open source LMS and a few queries raised on this post compiling all such tips and insights.</p>
<p>Amit</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amit and other readers -- I come from the world of non-profits and trade associations, where most organizations have staff sizes of a dozen or fewer people; they tend to outsource the heavy duty IT tasks. This makes open source (as far as I can see) prohibitively expensive because of the sorts of things you mention. 

I like your suggestion, Amit, to start with the &quot;out of the box&quot; (such that it is) structure and working from there.

So here&#039;s my question: when the customization elements have been identified, is it reasonable to expect IT vendors to be able to quote a fixed price for the work? Money is tight (yes, everywhere, but especially so when your finances are based on membership dues and program registration fees), so having a clear idea of the costs going in is essential to getting leadership buy-in.

Is it possible for an organization to estimate the amount of maintenance (in hours) an open source system might require, for ongoing budget projections? 

Are there any reports of standards that an organization can consult for information like this?

Does anyone know of any small organizations using open source LMS? 

I haven&#039;t promoted open source as a possible solution to my small-staff clients because of these drawbacks. Any insight provided will help.

Thanks so much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amit and other readers &#8212; I come from the world of non-profits and trade associations, where most organizations have staff sizes of a dozen or fewer people; they tend to outsource the heavy duty IT tasks. This makes open source (as far as I can see) prohibitively expensive because of the sorts of things you mention. </p>
<p>I like your suggestion, Amit, to start with the &#8220;out of the box&#8221; (such that it is) structure and working from there.</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s my question: when the customization elements have been identified, is it reasonable to expect IT vendors to be able to quote a fixed price for the work? Money is tight (yes, everywhere, but especially so when your finances are based on membership dues and program registration fees), so having a clear idea of the costs going in is essential to getting leadership buy-in.</p>
<p>Is it possible for an organization to estimate the amount of maintenance (in hours) an open source system might require, for ongoing budget projections? </p>
<p>Are there any reports of standards that an organization can consult for information like this?</p>
<p>Does anyone know of any small organizations using open source LMS? </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t promoted open source as a possible solution to my small-staff clients because of these drawbacks. Any insight provided will help.</p>
<p>Thanks so much!</p>
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